Sara Curley
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Works at BC Pension Corporation and ConsciouslyConnecting.ca
Sun 8:08 PM
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Hi Ozzy, that you for the invite to Dm you.
May I ask you some further questions specifically around the business you’d like to launch?
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i want to start my own film company and tech company. i want to revolutionize the internet and make it a thousand times more fun and easier to use and look better. and my film company, i'm sick of hollywood and want to film my own stuff with my own new standards. one idea is a show about starting my own timeline from the dawn of civilization. just to depict how this world could be better with a little action.
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Which one of those two is your priority? The tech company, or the film company?
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i won't choose just one. once i start one, i'm starting the rest, and not stopping, there's a lot more than that. i also want to do comedy, i want to start my own metal band, i want my own restaurant, i do not intend to stop or settle. i figure it would be easy enough to start a podcast to tell my story so i never have to repeat it again and so it might benefit others in similar situations, and then i can grow from that, the more people i get, the more i can do.
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i also have ideas for a site to sell shirts and stickers to start off, for extra income, also using patreon and other things like that would help.
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We all have to start somewhere; which one of those many ideas currently feels the most inviting to you?
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i have complex trauma. they all do, they're all my children, i can't and won't pick a favorite. but like i said, the podcast is the easiest to start with and grow from there. and it's what i need to do first, to heal from this trauma, or doing anything else will be rather pointless.
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i really don't mean to sound so... stubborn.
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if anyone could just ask for help FOR me, and send people to me, would help immensely, i cannot keep doing it myself.
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it's taken a serious toll on me.
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It’s understandable that you don’t want to pick a favorite, you sounds very passionate regarding all these ideas.
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but... to... try to answer your last question clearer... yes, the podcast. that's step one. i would need two people to podcast with.
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ambition is a keyword here.
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It sounds like you’ve got some ideas around the format for the podcast, what roles do the other two people play in your vision?
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one tech person to control the whole... thing... and another trauma-informed, compassionate... i guess a journalist type person would suffice, to basically interview me, keep the story coming out, and then be able to... put the pieces in some sort of linear order, make sense out of it. i cannot do that myself. i've tried on youtoob for years now, and i only get bullied. i don't even post anymore.
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Just to make sure I’m clear; one would be tech person, and the other would effectively be a co-host that’s there to coach and guide you while keeping the show on track for the episode topic?
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pretty much, yes.
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they need to be compassionate, trauma-informed. and sober, no addictions. preferably atheist, cause me dealing with religious people is... just not wise at this point. no offense if you're religious. my grandmother weaponized her religion against my mother and i. long story not worth telling anymore. they're both dead. i destroyed my life trying to save my mother's.
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she died at fifty five, seven years ago, from nurse negligence.
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That sounds like it’s all taken a heavy toll on you, it’s understandable that you’d be averse to religious types from that experience.
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Would the tech person need to be local to you?
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that's... yup... thanks for understanding. i've had a lot of people not understand that.
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they both would, yes, i need people close to me. it needs to be a very... i don't know how to say it, but i have serious trust issues i still need to work on, abandonment issues... that's... compassion is vital. closeness is vital. this podcast about trauma doesn't work without it. i need to build trust. and closeness.
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i've had so many people try to convince me it's not possible, i refuse to believe that, but that doesn't matter to them, they're too persistent. my defiance only gets me bullied and judged.
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and ordered around.
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i desperately need intimacy, connection, loyalty.
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I can’t see any reason that you couldn’t achieve producing the podcast; from what you’ve shared so far your vision is very clear, it just seems like some of the details and the connections might be lacking?
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pretty much, this is the best i've been able to do alone, this is as far as i could get myself alone, i can't brainstorm with one brain, i can't determine anything without an alternate perspective or input, and i've been alone so long... yeah... just a massive void where that crap should be. people are needed, and... society wants me to believe that people is the most difficult thing to get. i won't accept that. we've been to the moon.
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cooperation is not a bad thing.
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it's just society's mentality about keeping the poor suffering, keeping the status quo, the indoctrination they don't even see.
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the selfhelp pamphlet propaganda. the fortune cookies, the "luck", the "thoughts and prayers" that do nothing, the fact that society leaves it to god to help the poor, we should be doing that till god shows up. government won't help the poor, banks won't help the poor, so let's let god do it, he's done so well so far.
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not ranting, just saying.
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How much do you think your lack of trust might be influencing the quality of relationships that you have?
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fffffffffffffffffffff. way too much. it's... it's bad. by an order of magnitude. to the nth power. ain't no bare minimum therapy unraveling this onion.
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That sorta of self awareness is admirable, it’s certainly something to celebrate.
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i have an invisible tornado of chaos and dreams and goals and crap over my head at all times and no one can see it, so they love assuming it's not there, that it's just a figment of my imagination, like my trauma is just a backpack i should be able to drop at any moment to appease the weak, most people can't even handle reading about my trauma, they don't consider that i lived through it and they didn't.
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one of my favorite videos on youtoob is complex trauma by diane langberg. i try to get my caseworker people to watch it and discuss it with me, they haven't yet, and i've been through... a lot of them. sound mental health, valley cities, healthpoint sunset, back to sound mental health...
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CPTSD has a massive effect on how we interact and receive experiences.
I’m not qualified to directly address it; I’m a coach (trauma informed) I’m all about filling the gap from where you are now to where you wanna go and help my clients create action steps.
I’m curious, on a scale from 1 to 10 how much do you trust yourself, 1 being not at all, and 10 being completely?
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i will accept any help you can offer. as long as it's not just substituting selfhelp for friends, which is what everyone else does. i do trust myself. not necessarily like behind the wheel of a car or around the wrong people or stuff like that, but i do trust myself, at least to keep myself safe enough, even though i throw myself into this playpen asking for help too much, but aside from that, i'm not untrustworthy, my mother raised me to be honest, to know the value of honesty, my drug addict uncle was a habitual liar, my mother thankfully raised me to be nothing like the rest of my family, so he was a good example/bad example, what not to be. so when it comes to honesty with myself, i don't know anyone better at it. it's something i value about myself, i know myself, i love myself, i'm fuckin awesome despite the wounds. but i do picture a better me i can't get to yet. i cannot do the 'one to ten' scale thing, especially when it comes to medical questions, but i would never deceive myself, i never have, i honestly can't even understand a mentality that can. and i've been around a lot. i've had friends of all kinds, multiple personalities are probably one of the biggest triggers for me. i've had friends into videogames and horror movies always trying to get me into their stuff but when it comes time to listen to a song i like, they're never anywhere to be found, and those are the types of friends i'm trying to keep out of my life. i'm not against strengthening myself.
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i appreciate you listening... about this crap. i am tired of repeating this crap, but... still helps having someone listen. thank you. i used to be a better listener, and intend to be again, but for now... i suck at listening, too much to say.
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i don't dismiss others struggles though. i do have compassion fatigue, but i do not dismiss others struggles. i know i'm not the only one suffering. i'm pretty far from a narcissist or anything like that.
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not a sociopath either, been around enough of them.
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That sounds like some pretty high self trust to me, and you’ve consistently mentioned a want to take action.
I’m not one to set expectations around what results we may achieve together, yet there might be some potential.
As part of my practice, one of the first steps I typically take is a free appointment, I call them alignment calls.
They are there to see how well we click, to create clarity around what I do and it includes a minimum 30min session so you can experience it directly.
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i'm harmless, i have no intention of going postal, and with all the trauma so far, you'd think i would, but i watch too much news, and i refuse to be a statistic, especially when it seems like that's all this country wants from me, another time bomb.
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potential is one of my favorite words. along with "incentive" and "precipice".
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alignment is something else i'm out of.
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physically and otherwise.
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Precipice is a fun word to say 😅
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you're aware i'm on disability and can't afford crap. i'm hoping you're volunteering this or something. even though, i would absolutely pay for something like this if i could.
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wait till you get 'flibbetyflabbetyfloo' off your tongue.
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Yup this first call is a free call for certain, I also down to consider subsidizing a few session beyond that.
Mainly, I want to make certain that I don’t waste your time
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i feel like a bloated goatfish.
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that's... i got a good time wasting gauge from all the previous experiences, so far you haven't wasted a second, you're more legit than ninety percent of the fortune cookies i've chewed through so far.
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for whatever that's worth.
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Wanna book a spot and make it more official??
You’ve sorta gotten a taste tonight of my approach to coaching.
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it's a healthy approach. i also have a compassion gauge. i do suck with scheduling and remembering, but i'm willing to do my best. i stay in my apartment all day every day, it's emotionally crippling to walk outside alone, so i'm usually here. i'm a morning person and can't sleep much, no appetite, and can't focus much, but yes, i'm open and ready for whatever. thank you.
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you'll get to know soon enough what my issues are, i'm not worried about that.
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Thank you 🙏
I typically will send a reminder the day of the appointment, and will follow up if you haven’t connect within 5mins or so.
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that's helpful.
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yeah, it's hard to get people to keep in mind my lack of coordination and focus. i also fight myself with a general unwillingness, the depression and hopelessness are often overwhelming, overpowering.
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a palpable weight to them.
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With so many layers to the weights you carry, it’s understanding that it can be overwhelming at times
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Booking page:
https://consciouslyconnecting-alignment.youcanbook.me/
Consciously Connecting - Alignment Call with Sara Curley
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That’s my booking link
If you aren’t comfortable on zoom, we can use Fb voice or video as well.
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uh... i might prefer farcebook video call, but i'm okay with zoom cause i use it for my caseworker... it's all a compromise right now, so i just deal with whatever i have to.
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if you can just walk me through it, tell me how to do it, i can do that.
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Yup I can help you connect with zoom, and walk through anything else
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now, okay, this is what i have trouble with, the visual aspect of it... i see a white page and just want to look away, i see numbers and get a headache, i have scroll, i just give up and close the window, and if anything pops up, oh, massive trigger. so... tell me what i have to do here please...
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what numbers am i looking for... what do i click...
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you're... if i'm seeing right, your sunday is open... sunday is best for me, least amount of distractions and crap...
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and... i'm in seattle, so if you wanna just pick a time, i'll click it.
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Awesome I’m west coast as well 🙂
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How about that 11am slot?
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You mentioned you where a morning person :$
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There is a bit of an info form next. (I think I’m gonna switch my background color based on your feed back mute it a bit more)
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It’s a very short form, and all information remains private
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And you won’t end up on a mailing list or text list
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If you don’t have a phone number, feel free to but in whatever.
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a short little reader's digest condensed version of my story... my life was destroyed summer twenty thirteen. i escaped that hell summer twenty fourteen. my mother died summer twenty fifteen, a year to the day after i left hell. i don't tell people where i'm from anymore, most i narrow down is arizona. got a plane to spokane, landed june first twenty fourteen, the reason i went up there, thanks to the mother of my children who for legal reasons i have to call goatroach, took nine days to fall apart, so i found myself homeless in spokane, had this revelation, decided if i'm rebuilding my life my way, i'm going to the big city, using my talents, while watching the spokane river at sunset, looking west, so i got to seattle august twenty fourteen to january twenty fifteen, went all around it, even spent the last week of january in bellingham, some dick security guard harassing me told me 'the people you're looking for are in portland', so i went down to portland, nope, spent february there, arrested twice for being homeless, cops said 'the people you're looking for are in san francisco', so i went there, nope, just being kicked down the coast like a piece of trash, but trying all the biggest talent cities and getting nothing from anyone except exclusion, around that time my mother died, so i decided, quit screwing around, go to cancer city, went to los angeles, miserable, so i got back to seattle may twenty sixteen, a year later spent a month in seattle jail for being homeless (they criminalize homelessness but can't say that, i'm no criminal, currently, no warrants, no record, not a weapon or drug person, trajectory is up, not down), been in seattle since, finally got an rv in january twenty nineteen, had to lose it just to get this apartment. good times.
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and yeah, i couldn't pay my phone bill this month, so it's currently off, and no alternative. just this stupid cheap slow laptop i need fixed urgently, the fan grinds so loud i can barely hear anything else. it's sad. clicking eleven am now...
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clicked. i put my phone number anyway. thank you for that. for this.
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Thank you ozzy I got the notification from my service 🙂
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And thank you for allowing me this time with you
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if this ends up being worthwhile enough for me, once i'm stable, i can make it worth your effort. as long as you can be patient with me.
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aye, you're not wasting it. believe me, the thousands of people i've been through, i have my own standards and policy. heh.
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I’m happy to hear that 😊 lol so many people don’t, or don’t enforce them for themselves
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i'm currently strengthening that particular will.
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i'm a total goofball doofus buffoon nurd by the way. fair warning. still working on a way to combine all those words into one. i'm also a nudist, i hope you don't mind that, but if you do, just let me know to be dressed. politely please. i do hate clothing, but i'm willing to compromise for now. beggers can't be choosers and all. i will crack jokes.
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I’m gonna start up my nightly bedtime routine, So I might become unresponsive.
With all that determination; ambition; and drive you’ve expressed tonight, I have some confidence we might begin to create some momentum for you.
Thank you for sharing that you are a nudist, I would request at least bottom please for the meeting
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i don't dance around in front of the camera like a pervert, but i do have to stand up here and there for back pain. go for it. thank you.
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momentum. another good word.
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understood. thank you.
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have an astonishing evening.
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Thank you very much Ozzy, I hope you sleep well tonight.
Mon 4:20 AM
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it's four am, i'm a morning person, i just woke up, and i can't sleep alone anyway, i can't eat alone, i can't walk alone, can't live alone, can't think alone, but thanks. i'm sure someone will care eventually, right?
Mon 5:36 AM
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i apologize for how cold that sounded, i didn't realize i sent that to you till just now. i think i thought i was sending that to someone in the trauma chat cause i was replying there too. anyway. good morning. i don't sleep well. i can't sleep more than a few hours. constantly too tensed up and worried and never feeling safe.
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and stressed and... in defense mode. defensive.
Mon 1:36 PM
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you alive?
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Yup working my day job
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when are you off?
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i can wait till then. i have a brilliant stupid idea i'm hoping you'll help with.
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Could we keep that available for out appointment perhaps?
I have sessions after my done my day job with coaching clients tonight.
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no worries.
4:11 PM
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Hi Ozzy, have you heard of “the 4 agreements” ? I highly recommend reading it if you haven’t.
5:52 PM
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i don't read much, no, but i also recommend the fourth way by ouspensky.
6:51 PM
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Thanks, it seems really interesting - I’ll likely give it a read.
I’m curious, how much do you try follow it’s teachings?
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oh, minimal, i'm not able to do much alone. at this point, i just know about it, and honestly, psychologically speaking, i prefer ouspensky and gurdjieff over freud and jung. they just make more sense to me. i'm trying to get to the point where i can implement at least some of it into my life, but i need people and help, i'm stuck where i'm at alone.
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gotten myself as far as i can get myself alone, but no one wants to understand that or accept that.
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May I offer an observation?
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sure.
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So far the biggest block that I perceive is self doubt. This is being externalized as this need to have others do all things things for you and that they must understand you.
They must show up in X manner. They must reciprocate in X way. These are all things I’d all interpretations or assumptions.
This is also creating a barrier towards others being able to understand you, basically you don’t let them nor give them an opportunity to.
For example; some of the questions I asked you in the group - it appeared that you where searching for what I might have wanted to hear or what those things meant to me - effectively avoiding actually responding to those questions from a place of yourself. You’d then choose to reiterate things you’ve shared repeatedly.
People don’t understand you.
No one will make an effort.
Etc.
If you are moving through life holding those beliefs within your divine trinity (mind, body, heart/spirit/soul) you are going to subconsciously create experiences to validate them.
Do you believe you can start to catch yourself and reframe one of those beliefs?
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Remember just because something happened in that past, is not proof that it will occur again and again in the future.
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Other external to you can certainly provide you assistance, especially regarding your physical challenges, yet unless you actually want to do the work nothing will change for you.
That work might include deeper therapy, (DBT or ACT might be super helpful for you) - and yes there are a ton of challenges around getting mental health support in the USA, yet it’s not impossible and there are services and options you can peruse to enable the aid you require.
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I know people intimately who have been homeless, with have myriad mental health disorders, and who are living a life much closer to their desires.
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They’ve all told me they same thing. They had to take responsibility for themselves and do the work.
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(PS I dislike text for these types of things because you are missing my voice and full expression, I have so much empathy and compassion for you, and an honest desire to provide what support I might be able to you)
8:28 PM
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i am really really really so very sick and tired of people telling me that same old tired crap. everyone else can adhere to that ancient practice, i say it's outdated and overplayed. i feel defeated by it, violated by it. everyone has to tell me like i haven't heard it before. i feel suffocated by it, eclipsed by it. it's never going to stop happening to me, i'm powerless to get it to stop. i've heard that so much it's become a trigger for me, and people just will not stop telling me within the first few weeks of knowing me, like they can understand my whole bucket of problems that easily. that's why i don't feel understood, i'm up against that stupid oversized wall, and can't get anyone to pull me around it. i know you're trying to be positive and supportive, but it's more destructive than people realize, i just feel like it's toxic positivity, forced loneliness for the poor, a cheap excuse to not help, a copout, selfhelp pamphlet propaganda. it makes me hopeless knowing i'll never get around that overbearing obstacle. i know there's a new better way to do things and it requires more teamwork than people are currently willing to do. i've been fighting against that 'do it yourself' and 'no one will help you' mentality. that may not even really be what you're saying, that's what it sounds like to me through my hurricane of triggers and landmines. i'm physically disabled, so people who insist i stay alone, get comfortable being alone, do everything alone, by myself, run a company alone, they're being ableist. i do prefer video calls, as i don't feel understood in text either, the more i say, the more i lose and confuse people who aren't used to that many words, i love that about myself, that i'm verbose, longwinded, use too many words, that's my artform, constantly persecuted by people, 'you can't do that, shut up, you're dominating this space!', shaming me for having more to say, discriminating against me, with this anti-intellectual complaining, if all anyone ever tells you is what's wrong with you, and no one ever tells you what's good about you, what kind of person are they expecting you to be? this is one of the things no one understands about me, everyone loves being right. even the resources here just force independence on everyone, i have to tell them, i have no interest in independence, that to me just means loneliness, stay alone, you don't deserve friends or love, that's what that means to me, it's a bad word, a trigger. stability i do want, that's different, i want stability. i'm sick of being forced to be alone and do everything myself. people constantly act like if i need them to do one little thing for me, suddenly they have to do everything for me, use my legs for me, run my company for me, without asking themselves, why would i want that? that's not realistic. society has what i call cry wolf syndrome, which means scream all you want, help hasn't been invented yet, it's just a bunch of dark ages of human compassion excuses and selfhelp pamphlets and fortune cookies and barbaric psychological practices that are no different from lobotomies and thorazine. i may be way ahead of my time, but i know there's a better way to help people. i would start the company that ends loneliness. but i have to do it all alone according to society's backward standards no one can oppose or stand against. dbt and act just will not work for me, i tried ceta therapy, it was so miserably bare minimum, it did nothing for me, i know what the others are, which is why i've come up with the idea of how i want to do it, the way i think it will work for me, despite what anyone else says, god forbid someone tries something new. i want to do a podcast to tell my story so i never have to repeat it again and so it might benefit others in similar situations, have someone basically interview me, an editor to piece it together in a sensible, linear fashion, unravel all the trauma the way i know it needs to be done, and for people to assume i don't want to do that work, that i want that done for me? why? why would i want that? how dumb do they think i am? there's a big difference between "FOR" and "WITH". wanting someone to do something WITH you is apparently illegal and unheard of! i'm constantly in defense mode, constantly feeling attacked by this kind of crap. it's an excuse for people to assume you don't want to fix yourself, or that they have to do all the work for you, they don't realize what a copout it is. they see no value in teamwork for healing people who can't heal themselves. that's about as politely as i can put that, i'm really trying hard not to sound to vicious or scathing about it. but i've heard that too many times in my life, that same exact thing, virtually verbatim. it's a fortune cookie to me. and when you say that i was dodging your questions, not answering honestly enough... this is farcebook, a source of trauma and bullying and disconnection and misunderstanding and hurtful misconceptions to me, i'm always way too guarded for my own comfort, and without someone on my side helping, standing up for me, representing me, advocating for me, doing some of the talking and explaining, i'm stuck in this hamster wheel wasting my life away instead of making progress and running my company. i cannot express what an agonizing nightmare hell this is for me with all the words in the world. and everyone just keeps insisting i do it alone, do it all alone, and despite that, i'm supposed to still see the good in people, assume the best of people, assume people really do care, when i see no proof, but rather too much proof to the contrary, i really wish i could believe it, i wish it were true. there's only so much i can do alone, i'm physically disabled, complex ptsd, severe depression, no friends or family, overcame a decade of homelessness, life destroyed and blamed on me, this is a ridiculous circus and how dare i see a better way. this is exhausting, draining, depleting, unchanging, doing the same thing repeatedly expecting different results, that's what society thinks sanity is. what you're not understanding when you say i'm dodging questions or not being honest, is that i'm struggling so much with my words, constantly fighting myself, this trainwreck of words, telling myself 'it doesn't matter, it's just the hamster wheel, you've done this thousands of times, it's never going to change and lead somewhere new, it does not matter, it's the consistency with which this shit keeps happening, people say it doesn't mean it'll happen again, they're not even paying enough attention to see, caring enough, sticking around long enough to see it keep happening, no one's here right now to witness this, every time this happens to me. have you ever been stuck in a loop like that? has no one ever told you something you've already heard, assuming you haven't heard it yet? does this happen to no one else, and if not, what does that say about this situation that no one else is seeing? a vicious cycle and 'just get yourself out of it whether you're disabled or traumatized or abused or uncoordinated or whatever''. when does this end? when do we invent something better? does this really work for everyone else, and it's just me who's rejecting this. is it wrong that i have my own philosophy? is it wrong that i've already basically invented a new way and no one will even consider it? what exactly is considered right and wrong anymore, if i think all of society is wrong? especially about how we treat the poor, and give them the bare minimum hoping it'll inspire harder work, what if i had no legs? what if i had downs syndrome? what about people with autism or cerebral palsy or parkinson's? there's no such thing as caregivers and advocates and volunteers and companions and grants and donations and mentors, poor people can't afford any of that, can't even work for it, so we're just doomed, right? should disabled people just do the world a favor and roll into a volcano? does no one else see how heartless that sounds to someone begging and pleading for legitimate compassionate help? can you understand, i know that may not be what you're saying, but that's how it sounds to me? can you understand how i struggle so much with my words, not knowing what matters and what doesn't? what to hold back, and what to reveal, and wondering if it will matter, if they will care enough to stick around and remember that about me, accept me as i am, or be like every other friend i've had and just insist i be like everyone else, condemning and shaming my uniqueness, but also being hypocrites because not only can i not do that, but they blame me for it as if i do it constantly, which is basically projecting on me, and i had to learn the hard way that my family was all too good at projection, they actually started to make me believe i was the problem until i had a psychiatrist finally tell me, 'it's not you, it's them, you are not insane, you are not delusional' when i'm in the middle of a tearful rant about my mother calling me delusional, had to interrupt me, scream at me, point at me to stick that into my... overloaded, shaking, tensed up... i cannot express the level of agony and... words fail me... my head. my hopeless, broken head. my heart. so i'd say, you have to show proof, you can't just say this stuff. people have to stop assuming i haven't heard this before. i ache to hear something i don't know, to see anything out of the ordinary. that's me, that's my whole thing. that's who i am and what i love about myself, i defy society at any cost. call me an alien from the future, that's what i feel like, way ahead of my time always feeling like i missed a bus. like i'm in the dark ages. i really hope this is a good enough answer to that whole inquiry thing. i'm doing this alone. if i had anyone helping me right now, this answer would be a lot better. i have to defend myself against this wall of ancient crap constantly and cannot get around it. i'm forty four, after a decade of homelessness, and i'm still in this same spot. society just demanding i walk backward because that's the way it's always been done. there's so much i still don't feel safe even telling anyone, and the few times i've tried, people get scared, intimidated, and run off. i'm telling the truth, i haven't had a quality connection in a decade, so... i really fail to understand how or why i'm supposed to act like it's a familiar thing for me. or that i'm supposed to act undamaged just to get it, so i don't scare people with my wounds. people are assuming i want normal happy people in my life and that i'm not allowed to want people like me, that people like me don't exist, normal people have always made unique people feel that way, ostracized, scapegoated, outcast. and they claim no accountability for that, they get away with it. but the truth is, i'm nothing like normal people and i think they're boring. there's no way i'd ever be like them, that other lady even said i "weaponize my uniqueness" like that's a bad thing, effectively shaming me with her unsolicited diagnosis, assuming i want that or need that and haven't heard it yet. no one realizes how this is all the same thing for me, it's happened before, this hamster wheel wants to be deceptively original and have news and new stuff, but it's the same old hamster wheel to me. no matter how many times i explain this, i'm just gonna have to do it again tomorrow, and then people say 'well if you're stuck in that mindset, that's all that's gonna happen for you'. so encouraging. when what they could say is 'hey, man, that's brutal, let's stand you up, dust you off... there's a video on youtoob i've asked several therapists to discuss with me, called complex trauma by diane langberg, they will not watch it, no one has yet out of several. this is so futile, pointless. saying this now will not end this cycle. it's most likely just going to scare you off, and there's still so much i can't even say yet that would clarify this, but scare you off more. this is all that happens, and i'm supposed to expect change, i'm begging for change, i am the change i want to see in the world, what does that matter if it only matters to me and no one else? will i ever be heard on this and understood, and will anyone ever agree with me enough to say 'hey, yeah, perhaps we could reexamine this whole mental health thing here cause obviously what we're doing isn't working for everyone'. do you think that will happen? when? people call this an observation. i don't feel observed, i feel obscured, overlooked, mistaken for something else, stuffed back into the same old mold, who i am judged like a book by its cover and denied, rejected, stamped, stomped, assimilated, packaged, manufactured, sold as something i'm not. when i was a kid, i saw pink floyd the wall the movie. that assembly line scene stuck with me. and no one else has seen it. if they had, would they understand me any better? i do appreciate your effort, don't think i don't. i'm being as nice as i can and suppressing the triggers and rage. does this answer your question well enough? can you understand this? or does it just add to the... confusion, misconceptions, misunderstandings...?
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i call that my patented wall of text rant formula. no one else does that. which is just one reason i love doing that. i want that appreciated some day, not just constantly complained about. "i can't read that much!". i even tell people to put it in a text reader, at least it's spelled right and well written. but... no... very few people have done anything but shame me for that. and i know i'm supposed to keep this sunny disposition thinking someday it will change, someone will surprise me.
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you asked, do i believe i can start to catch myself and reframe one of those beliefs... i have a thing about beliefs. nineteen ninety six, tool released their aenima album, in the liner notes, this paragraph thing ended by saying 'beliefs are dangerous, beliefs allow the mind to stop functioning, a nonfunctioning mind is clinically dead, believe in nothing', that stuck with me, i don't have beliefs, ideas are a lot easier to change. that being said, the "belief" you're referring to, is that people not understanding me, if i have that belief, i'll create things that validate them... that's just one way to look at it, and to me, it's basically glossing over it, ignoring the root cause of a different problem. this loneliness needs to stop, and the indoctrination reinforcing the loneliness needs to stop, and society needs to grow out of that classist ableist mentality that poor people just don't deserve help. and we need to stop thinking that opinions are facts.
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just because people have to do these tedious mundane normal things for me i don't want to do and no longer have the emotional capacity to do, doesn't mean i want anyone doing the creative productive progressive stuff that i've been wanting to do most my life and haven't been able to do because i've been suffocated and drowned in this stupid tedious trivial shit of just fucking survival, barely survival. paperwork, phone calls, emails, links, signing up for crap, verifying my humanity to a machine every five minutes, enter the codes, find the traffic lights and cows, this is not what i want to do, i want to hire someone else to do this crap, so that i can focus my efforts on productivity, creativity, art, science, tech. i'm suffocated by poverty and loneliness, i need people around me, i need to run a company, i need legitimate compassionate unrestricted help. and no one will even prove to themselves whether it actually exists or not, let alone figure out what that says and what they should do about it. and it's all on me. no one else can do this. no one else can start the company that ends loneliness. i've had too many people tell me 'i prefer being alone', the last thing i want to hear from anyone, and i want people who hate being alone in my life, they're unicorns, so even just that little statement has become a serious trigger for me, taking me back to that hallway train chain line of every time it's happened.
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I understand this fine.
And it’s filled with the same interpretations and assumptions that you’ve been repeating.
I’m not saying you did to do it alone. I’m that unless your able to take responsibility for your part in your circumstances than regardless of the support others offer you there won’t be any change.
Even with support, it’s all up to you.
No one can get you around that obstacle within your psyche other than yourself.
Others can attempt to guide you, and offer what they are able, yet are you able to see it?
Regardless of what tool says, it’s not a Truth.
What is a truth is that our embodied beliefs, what we constantly repeat to ourselves and others effects everything regarding our experience of the world
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everyone else can do shit the old standard way. i'm desperately trying to create my own way, pave my own path, and society just refuses to let me.
Sara
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You hold a belief that people can’t understanding you. You carry that belief deeply. It’s shown in all our interactions so far.
Can you pause, when you hear yourself start to speak to yourself and others from that belief?
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see, you're still trying to put it all on me, and that's exactly what i'm saying is bullshit and i'm sick of hearing it doesn't help me. it helps no one.
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No I’m not
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so if this won't stop happening to me, should i just put myself in the ground?
Sara
I’m asking you to work with me.
Sara
Yet you won’t
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You make excuses and put everything outside yourself
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the obstacle is not within my psyche, it's society! why can't anyone understand that.
Sara
What do you actually have control over?
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Can you or me control society?
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i make excuses, sure, but society doesn't? they can constantly point out and overpolice and overpunish me, but take no accountability for people suffering themselves?
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this same argument is getting me no closer to people.
Sara
Nope.
I can control me, my perceptives, and my thoughts, and my beliefs
Sara
Same as you
Sara
So take action within the realms of your control
Sara
Has the world ever been “fair”?
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Is the natural world fair?
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you're still assuming i want everyone to do everything for me and i've already told you you're wrong about that. man, i hate this shit, i used to type eighty words a minute now i fuck that backspace key into oblivion and never get paid for this shit let alone any recognition or anyone remembering or sticking around, why do i keep doing this! being understood is no longer a priority, it's a waste of my life!
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you're just going to keep preaching that i'm wrong, you're not going to change your mind to accept me possibly being different.
Sara
Great than reframe that belief perhaps from “people don’t understand me”
To “I’m living my own authentic life”
Sara
Sara Curley
The words we use are spells, they are a reflecting of our internal experience
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What is a truth is that our embodied beliefs, what we constantly repeat to ourselves and others effects everything regarding our experience of the world... i do not have to agree with this! this is not a truth! it's an ancient propaganda weapon made to keep the poor suffering! how can you not see that! how can no one see that! when does this stop happening to me!
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how do i defeat this goliath of a fuckin barbaric monster!
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i'm still saying, you can't just tell me this shit, you have to show proof. proof. proof!
Sara
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I’ve never said you are wrong. Nor am do I hold judgement regarding your choices. They are yours, you may choose all those as you wish.
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society won't let me control myself, that's what you're failing to understand!
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Because I know I’m my deepest parts that it’s a Truth of our human experience.
Sara
Why not be open to more perspectives?
Sara
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Even the book you recommended to me; you made externalized why you can’t practice some of its teachings
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now you're going to say like everyone else does that i'm not open to more perspectives or enough perspectives, hypocritically ignoring the fact that no one's open to mine.
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I’m open to yours.
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because i'm alone.
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how much am i really expected to do alone when i cannot do anything alone anymore.
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loneliness has destroyed everything i loved about myself. but keep being alone! that's all you can afford you piece of shit!
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Being open doesn’t mean agreement, and from the knowledge and experience I have I have a lot of proof, that the opinions and perspectives you hold are not universal Truths.
They are your truths certainly.
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then why does society keep insisting i'm not allowed to have them.
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and forcing theirs on me.
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That’s black and white thinking; the world is a billion shades of grey
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okay. now you're just telling me what every other therapist has told me, and it still doesn't make it true about me!
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i told a therapist when she said that, that's it's hard to see colour in a black and white world.
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i am the color and my color is relentlessly being snuffed out and shamed.
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that needs to stop.
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The world isn’t black and white.
It’s filled with myriad colors, myriad perspectives, and myriad experiences
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you can think that all you want, i don't have to agree.
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that's not the key to curing my loneliness, this is trivial shit.
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this is getting me no closer to people.
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this is just triggering me, frustrating me, and making me want to die.
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and it will not stop.
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this same shit. like i haven't been through it a billion times already.
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how is this going to make me a friend, a genuine quality connection?
Sara
Has what you been doing so far working? Why not try something else?
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Sara Curley
Just try it 🤷♀️
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i'm forty four, and have to waste another decade making myself good enough to deserve a friend, instead of getting a friend to inspire me to be good enough or at least a better me that i want to be and not what everyone else expects me to be.
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nothing is going to work. i told you what i want to do. my podcast. no one wants to do that because 'why not try something ancient that everyone else does!'.
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mutherfuck, man. am i being understood on this one stupid trivial little bullshit point yet? this is getting me no closer to connection!!!
Sara
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If it’s something you want to do, why not do it?
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this is just making me fucking suicidal, and no one cares. this will not stop.
Sara
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I care, else I wouldn’t be engaging with you
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because i have to do it alone!!! i have no one to do it with and cannot find those people and no one can help me find those people no one knows how!!!
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fuck, time number eight billion i've repeated that sentence, for no reason.
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What is something you can do to meet people within the area of interests that you desire support with for your pod cast?
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i want to put my head through a fucking wall, i want to tear my heart out and throw it in the fuckin street. this is such a nightmare.
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if i knew that, i'd be there.
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this is as far as i could get myself alone. why can't anyone understand that and just accept it.
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Where might you be able to meet technical minded folks?
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how much am i expected to do alone.
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i have no clue, no idea, no one will tell me, no one knows, i've asked too many people to remember a damn thing anyone said.
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i'm tired of hearing from thousands of people 'i don't know anything about that!'. that's another discouraging trigger.
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and it will not stop happening. you ever see groundhog day? bill murray?
Sara
A big part of my practice is enabling the wisdom my clients carry within them.
Sara
I deeply believe that you do know the solutions and what to do to enable your desires.
Currently it’s buried behind the beliefs and adaptations youve taken on from your trauma
Sara
Sara Curley
So how might we be able to release those beliefs?
Sara
And if you just want someone to tell you what to do - here’s some things to try.
Find a Facebook group, forum, or other community dedicated to podcast development.
Sara
Sara Curley
You’ll need to develop your own connections, that not something anyone else can ever do for you.
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meet people who share my interests, let's see, what all have i done. i saw slayer, walked up to strangers alone which is crippling for me, but i fucking did it anyway, telling them i wanna start a metal band, did that work? i tried going to open mics alone which i absolutely cannot do for so many reasons, did that work? i stood outside of places just trying to build up the courage to go in alone, let alone thinking of something to say or how to say it without sounding insane or going through this shit again. i traveled this coast, seattle, portland, san francisco, los angeles, being kicked down the coast from city to city like a piece of trash, 'oh the people you're looking for are down there', i sat with the rainbow family in golden gate park, that didn't work, i've tried metalheads in all these cities, psychedelic people in all these cities, nudists, nude beaches, kinky people, kinky websites, groups, parks, the internet, every website and platform i was capable of getting into, i've tried finding other atheist people and groups, i've tried asking my neighbors since i got housed, i've been through valley cities, healthpoint sunset, sound mental health twice, salvation army, facinghomelessness, catholic charities, catholic community services, two one one, nine eight eight, crisis connections, called thirty churches in my area in one day, i've tried everyting i could fucking think of and it wasn't enough, i've invested time and effort i didn't have in friendships to have it not reciprocated, i'm a psychedelic nudist atheist metalhead, discriminated against, bullied, abused, shamed for all of those by the opposite, religious people, clothing addicts, paranoid narcissists, multiple personalities, misinformed misled indoctrinated idiots, an ocean of the wrong people, even the people who i shared even one interest with had to be so selfobsessed and always "too busy, too busy, too busy", all my friends, i had to get into their interests, stupid shit like videogames, rap music, shit i hated, wrestling, dumb shit, but when it came time to listen to a song i like, a trail of smoke appears, and that's all my fault, that's all on me, i chose the wrong people and no one even knows my kind of people exist, yeah, keep doing the same shit repeatedly expecting different results! you poor stupid loser! you lazy failure! that's encouraging and supportive from people i'm supposed to be friends with, right? people who are worth my time? that's those people, right? i can't find any unaddicted psychedelic people, or metalheads or atheists or nudists or sexual people, they don't exist! especially someone who shares all four with me, and hates money and tradition like i do, and superstition and "luck" who needs people with all this luck going around? i'm supposed to keep doing this same thing repeatedly, looking for my kind of people, expecting to suddenly find some who can't reach out to me cause i have to keep doing all the reaching out and no one else can, yeah, those are people i want in my life! that's the best i'm ever gonna get, and no one can help me find my kind of quality people and they sure as fuck aren't looking for me! they might have found me by now!
Sara
Sara Curley
Once you find the group.
Just do a simple post.
“I’m looking for someone in the Seattle area that’s tech savvy and can help me in that capacity for a podcast I’d like to develop”
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so that's just a small glimpse, tell me what i haven't done yet, what i haven't tried yet, and that i still have to keep doing it all alone when i no longer have the capacity or coordination or strength.
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you really want to keep assuming i haven't tried that yet? and insisting i do it alone instead of posting for me and helping?
Sara
Sara Curley
The externalization of fault on to others is a trauma response.
How might you be able to
Release that?
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I assumed nothing, I just offered the advice I have available to me as you’ve continued to state you need someone to pull you around your wall.
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you're not enabling my wisdom, you're condemning it. i'm pounding this stupid keyboard and not getting paid, i'm getting nowhere, stuck in the hamster wheel no one else can see. i have to enable my own desires, thanks humanity. i have no beliefs, but keep telling me i do, maybe someday you'll be right. but there's no healing this trauma, and i have to do it myself, alone, with no actual help. like i don't already know that. i can fight against it all i want, but i'll die alone. how might we be able to release those beliefs? by realizing and admitting that they aren't beliefs! for starters? and i want someone to tell me what to do, yeah, that's what i want. sure. no, i don't want anyone telling me what to do, i want someone proving it can be done first. proving to themselves, not me. find farcebook groups, yeah, haven't thought of that yet. why don't you find my posts before assuming i haven't? why don't you see the lack of comments and responses and bullying and see what i've dealt with before you before making that hurtful assumption? i have no coordination with the internet, i'm taking a sabbatical from it, i would hire someone to do this shit for me in a heartbeat if i knew how. no one knows how, i've asked! even libraries! no one fucking knows anything! find that out for yourself before telling me! and finally, "you'll need to develop your own connections, that's not something anyone else can do for you". then why should i keep trying? should i just give up and put myself in the fucking ground before i have to hit backspace one more fuckin time!? when do people start helping those who CANNOT HELP THEMSELVES!!! do we even exist!!!
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does my life matter or not?
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i'm supposed to fix it alone because no one can help, right? do everything myself give up on making connections and die alone, right?
Sara
Look at the billion podcasts out there isn’t that proof it can be done?
Sara
Sara Curley
“No one can help me”
That’s an assumption that you are holding as an embodied belief.
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tell me why i shouldn't just kill myself to stop this stupid hamster wheel bullshit right now! i've told a billion people i don't want advice, it's unsolicited advice that gets me no closer to the help i need, rather keeps me away from it and wastes my time, and no one cares about that! no one cares!
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you're not understanding why i'm saying no one can help me, it's not me saying that, it's them! stop blaming me for it!
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And you enable that belief to hold power over you by the rationalizing that you do regarding society
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i enable no belief! stop saying that shit!
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do you proofread at all?
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You don’t want advice; you don’t want to take actions for yourself, you just want others to support you?
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how can i be spelling better than you, and i'm on the shit end of this stick?
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Why does that matter?
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why is that what you got out of this?
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is that seriously what you think i said this whole time?
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It’s a clarify question.
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you have no clue how many times i've been through exactly this right here!
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Why do you think you continue to find yourself in these moments?
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do you even care how much you're triggering me with this shit?
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because society refuses to change.
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they blame it all on me because they'll never take accountability, it's never society, it's always the scapegoat's fault.
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i'd rather die killing that concept rather than live perpetuating it.
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but society just can't stop forcing it on me.
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do you care that this makes me suicidal?
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do you think this is getting me any closer to help or helping me at all?
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I’m sorry Ozzy, I’m not gonna be able to support you in any professional manner.
I can attempt to be your friend, my boundaries with my friends is for them not to attempt to manipulate me or insult me.
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boundaries, there's that fuckin word again, read the post on my profile about boundaries please.
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If Im insulted or attempted to be manipulated I’ll no longer engage with you.
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i'm not manipulating or insulting you, you're doing that to me, don't project what you're doing onto me and blame me for it like everyone else does! why don't you take a little responsibility for how you're making me feel?
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what about what you're doing to me?
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Boundaries are an important aspect of my life and how I choose to live it. Thank you.
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do you really not care that you're making me suicidal?
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read my post about boundaries please!
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you are not understanding me, you're just arguing and forcing a barbaric philosophy on me i don't want.
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and you won't stop, you refuse to accept mine.
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this is really hurting me and upsetting me.
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I’m not forcing or arguing. I’m sharing my perspective.
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does that matter to you at all?
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That’s something that friends do.
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what part of my perspective have you heard?
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All of it.
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really.
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Yup.
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like what?
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Which aspect? How much am I able to distill what you’ve shared without it being taken as proof of that I didn’t?
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that's the big question, isn't it.
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just tell me what four words best describe me or define me.
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Victim of society.
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ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff. try again.
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four words. four definitive words.
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Depressed, lonely, misunderstood, disabled.
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nope.
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come on, man.
Sara
Those are all words you’ve used to describe yourself.
Sara
What 4 words would you use?
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Sara Curley
You’ll need to send me a link to the post you wrote on boundaries. I haven’t been able to locate it on your profiles
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PSYCHEDELIC NUDIST ATHEIST METALHEAD!!! OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER!!! PSYCHEDELIC!!! MEANING UNADDICTED!!! NUDIST!!! MEANING NOT ADDICTED TO CLOTHING EITHER!!! ATHEIST, MEANING NOT ADDICTED TO RELIGION AND DOGMA AND TRADITION AND SUPERSTITION!!! METALHEAD, MEANING ROGUE, DEFIANT, OUTCAST, ANGRY, NOT IN DENIAL OF ANGER!!! PSYCHEDELIC NUDIST ATHEIST METALHEAD!!! OFFENSIVELY UNIQUE!!! WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO YOU???!!!
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i'm so tired of so many people using the word "boundaries" so much. everyone else's "boundaries" only serve to lock me out, excuses of why they can't accept me or touch me or love me. at least that's how it feels to me when it happens so much, and i have minimal love to compare it to or contrast. at the same time, no one respects my boundaries. whereas most people want sex kept out of their lives and far away from them, i want the opposite of that, i want the lack of sex kept out of my life, i refuse to be shamed into living a boring life, and that doesn't matter to anyone. and they have every excuse to justify even that. i want crippling loneliness and crushing rejection kept out of my life, those are my boundaries, i want pseudointellectual antiintellectual armchair psychologists who think they know me so well and can diagnose me and suffocate me with unsolicited advice constantly and think they're always right especially about me, i want that crap kept out of my life, that's one of my boundaries that people always violate, consistently, and i'm powerless to stop it, i'm stuck going through these repeats, the same stupid trivial elementary shit every day, people constantly shitting on me for every little thing about me they think is wrong. if you're all really gonna keep bitching about boundaries and being hypocrites about it and getting away with it, fuck you and fuck your boundaries.
Sara
Sara Curley
That you are do psycadelics, that you don’t wear clothes, that you don’t believe in a god or a higher power, and that you like metal music.
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okay, now translate that through society's 'you have to be normal like the rest of us' filter.
Sara
Sara Curley
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Sara
Sara Curley
I don’t think I can.
I view all those things as normal, and a large segment of those within my orbit do as well.
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but you won't send them to me? or even tell them about me?
Sara
Sara Curley
And really those are just things you do and like.
They don’t tell me anything about you as a person.
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when that's the one big thing i've needed for two decades, a little assistance.
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wow. gee, thanks, that's so encouraging. what i love about myself is irrelevant.
Sara
Sara Curley
I didn’t say they are irrelevant. I said they are things you do, and not who you are.
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you can believe that all you want, doesn't make it true.
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so what are you expecting me to say to answer that, to tell you who i am, what are you hoping to hear?
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Sara Curley
So you are the things you do?
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why can i not be?
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It’s wasn’t a question?
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why is it so wrong and unacceptable and unheard of?
Sara
Sara Curley
It’s not any of those things at all.
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sure feels that way.
Sara
Sara Curley
If you wish to identify as the things that you do you are more than welcome to. Many many folks do.
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did you read the boundaries post yet?
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could you stop making it sound like a bad thing then?
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like i'm crazy to "identify as the things i do"?
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What you are describing isn’t boundaries. It’s desire to control the world external to you.
Boundaries tell people how you like or don’t like to be approached, and what you will do if they chose not to honor them.
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wow. who told you that?
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cause i don't think you understood that paragraph at all.
Sara replied to you
You are projecting a tone or belief into my words.
How might I be able rephrase things so that my non-judgment is clear.
Sara
This is an example of a boundary:
If someone calls me names or attacks me verbally, than I will disengage from the conversation.
This is control:
You need to do X or I’ll C
Sara
Sara Curley
Perhaps a specific example of a boundary for you would be:
If I’m offered unsolicited advice, I’ll disengage from the conversation.
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now there's a disarming question finally. thank you for that. i'll take a moment to appreciate that and let my triggers calm down. even though that statement is still rather erroneous, i'll overlook that and try to answer it honestly and respectfully. i'm projecting a tone or belief into your words. no, i really don't think i am. i'd love to understand how i am, but i also don't think it matters. how might you rephrase that statement to sound less judgmental?... hmm... identifying as the things i do... uh... you could just do what i asked in the first place and let it go, don't make it sound like i'm weird or crazy for doing that. when have i ever said "you have to do", go ahead and highlight it and show it to me. i'm not attacking you, you're attacking me, stop projecting and blaming me, you're crossing that boundary and manipulating me, i'm not giving you any advice, i never do, that's not me, i hate advice, i'm defending myself, explaining myself, repeating myself as usual, i've done this enough times to know what i'm doing and not doing, i don't need to be told what i'm doing. the difference in what you just said, i don't have a choice to disengage from the conversations, i'm too desperate to make a connection. despite the number of bullies i've blocked and pushed away. do you see yet how you're retraumatizing me by taking me through this same shit again? can you see yet how you're not accepting the fact that i can have my own philosophy apart from society's?
Sara
Sara Curley
here is another of my personal boundaries:
I invite respectful conversations where both of parties may share perspectives, if the other choose to attack or become hostile regarding my perspectives that I shared, I Will disengage from the conversation.
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don't confuse my defensiveness with hostility.
Sara
Sara Curley
I can’t share an example with out you taking it personal. I’ll make note of that.
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no part of this is enjoyable for me. this has been one big trigger for me. i feel like my boundaries have been violated.
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how is this getting me any closer to connection?
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how is this supposed to help me?
Sara
Sara Curley
I don’t know?
I stopped trying to coach you and have just been trying to get to know you to see if we are compatible as friends since I stated I can’t support you from a professional perspective.
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okay then. friends we can be.
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please don't take me down this road again, hopefully you got your answers.
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i was really really triggered by all of that, i'm still really upset and shaking, that was not fun for me.
Sara
Sara Curley
I’m feeling that the difference in our beliefs and world views may result in further triggered moment, I’m curious what you think?
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i feel like "coaching me" just means "coaching me back into that stupid old mold i want nothing to do with against my will".
Sara
Sara Curley
Sharing observations isn’t really coaching
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as long as it's not this shit again, i'll suppress my triggers the best i can.
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i would not disagree with that.
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doesn't negate how i feel though.
Sara
Sara Curley
We weren’t getting anywhere with actual coaching.. just spinning in circles
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which is usually the case with me, but people keep trying thinking they'll be the first to succeed.
Sara
I don’t enjoy spinning in circles, it’s why I chose to become a coach and not a therapist
Sara
Sara Curley
I’m all about movement, action and self empowerment.
Which is basically what coaching is all about.
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if you weren't trying to coach me back into that box, and instead, tried to recognize and appreciate the direction i would like to be coached in, perhaps you could try again eventually.
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i don't want selfempowerment, i want progress, stability, productivity.
Sara
I was trying to coach you whereever you wanted to go? I had no direction other than yours. (Which is another aspect of coaching)
Sara
Sara Curley
From my perspective you just wanted to keep in the circle
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it truly did not feel that way to me. i'm trying to tell you that it felt like you were just trying to stuff me back into that box like everyone else does.
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no, i do not want to stay in this hamster wheel.
Sara
I totally understand that, and Honestly I do with I could help ya get out of it.
Just doesn’t feel like coaching is the way for you eh!
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Sara Curley
Oops ! Was spose to be ?
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i just want people, i don't want to get out of it alone, i don't want to be forced to do anything alone, forced to believe no one will help or care about me until i'm out of it and good enough for them. no one even wants to be good enough for me, no one cares enough.
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Sara Curley
That’s the trauma talking dude..
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people is all i want. people is all i need. people is my currency.
Sara
Sara Curley
Not the “I want people part”
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boy. okay. i'll pretend to believe that for now.
Sara
Sara Curley
But the rest of it..
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how is that the trauma talking, explain that to me.
Sara
Sara Curley
The belief that you are being forced to do anything a certain way
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i'm delusional and that's obviously not the reality i've been trying to convey to people for two fucking decades now.
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so you're saying i'm not? being forced to do things a certain way? can you prove that?
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does it even matter if i disagree?
Sara
Who is forcing you to believe no one cares? (And don’t use your avoidant strategy of blaming society, I’m so over it)
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Sara Curley
Don’t get me wroung, society is fucked.
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i have proof, in the form of screenshots, blogposts, even videos.
Sara
Sara Curley
None of that dictate the future
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bullying, degradation, condescension, ostracism, condemnation, a thesaurus of synonyms i could throw around the planet, it would make no difference.
Sara
Sara Curley
And regardless if you see it or not - I’m some stranger that does care 🤷♀️
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again, you need to prove that statement.
You replied to Sara
prove this.
Sara replied to you
Anything else impossible to prove you wanna throw at me while your at it?
Past does not dictate the future.
Doing the same shit over and over again.. that dictates your future
Sara
Sara Curley
We Gotta be able to see what pattern are getting in the way of our desire and let them go -else we do create a future that a repeat of the past.
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i don't know if you care about this, but i'm sitting here naked in my recliner with my laptop in front of me, sitting in a very unhealthy position, cannot relax my muscles, extremely stiff and tensed up and shaking and triggered, which i cannot change, i cannot relax, nothing in this apartment is comforting for me. if it's impossible to prove, then why say it? when people say past does not dictate the future, i see no proof of that being true. i see everyone not learning from history. if my only option because of poverty and loneliness is to do the same shit repeatedly alone, by myself with no help... how am i supposed to get out of this hamster wheel vicious cycle of nonsense and social quicksand nightmare agony hell? do i just stumble to the left?
Sara
Sara Curley
Radical self accountability is my jam.
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why is it only on each individual to recover from that hamster wheel vicious cycle, why can we not invent a company that helps people who cannot do that themselves no matter how much society insists they do?
Sara
Sara Curley
Can I give some advice to help your nerves maybe?
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radical societal accountability is my jam.
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let's see what this is, sure, why not.
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Yeah I can’t control society so honestly I don’t really give it my energy. I’m dev aware of what’s going on, yet it’s not really my problem to deal with.. so I choose to try to be a role model for the future I’d like to see
Sara
Sara Curley
Have you tried box breathing before??
Breath in; hold for 4 seconds, breath out hold for 4 seconds; repeat at least 4 or 5 rounds
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you really think i haven't head of that yet?
Sara
Sara Curley
Oh you’ve likely heard about it. It’s all over polyvagal shit
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heard.
Sara
Sara Curley
It works for most
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then why would you tell me?
Sara
Sara Curley
why not?
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what works for most, i reject with a passion, that's the person you're talking to.
Sara
Sara Curley
Your stated you are in an activated state, it’s common not to be able to bring those tools to mind in those states.
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Why?
Sara
Breath work is fucking dope lol
Sara
I was resistance as fuck to it initially.
Sara
It blow my mind at how effective it was when I began to released the shit ton of anxiety I used to live daily with
Sara
Since I’ve dropped my profession aspect off, I’ll share somethings about me and what I do or practice.
Sara
I’m a non-dualist
Sara
There is no right or wrong - good or bad - there is only a way
Sara
Sometimes that way moves us towards what we desire, some time that way fucks shit up and we gotta pivot
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I also value life and love, so my way is one that tries to express that
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how is it supposed to make a friend appear by my side? how is it supposed to end this suffocating loneliness? you have yet to answer that. do you care that this is making me suicidal? you didn't answer that either. does this make you feel bad at all that you're doing this to me again, when i've been through this a billion times? can you answer all these questions please? or pretend like they matter to you? i fail to understand how breathing, meditating, medicating or any of this crap, these substitutions for friends are supposed to get real friends into my life. they're only supposed to make me good enough for friends, simultaneously telling me i'm not good enough the way i am, i have to get better to deserve a friend, and no one thinks that's wrong. who doesn't value life and love? i have no love to value and i still value it. are you understanding any of this yet? because i really do not feel understood yet. i seriously feel like the only way out of this shit is suicide. it's the only option society leaves me with because they refuse to help or figure out what help even means. does this mean anything to you?
Sara
Sara Curley
I dislike lables yet they serve so choose to use then some of the lables I toss at myself “I’m a queer trans woman of First Nations decent”
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i did not understand that one. at all.
Sara
Okay imma take one question at a time for the replies; I want to do my best not to miss any
Sara
Sara Curley
How did it end loneliness for me? It allowed me to see how EVERYTHING in interconnected.
I’m never lonely because I know the whole entirety of existence is within me.
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i'm so tired of hearing so many people say that same thing to me. everyone else can be comfortable being alone, and the more i hear it, the more i want to die.
Sara
Sara Curley
I do care that you are suicidal, it’s why I chose to engage with you and see if I could help you.
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I’ve been there; it’s a shitty place to be in.
Fuck just reflecting on it I can feel how dark and limited my perspectives and the world around me become.
Sara
Sara Curley
Meditating, breathwork, etc - they are just tools imho to remain with a centered space.
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so if i'm the only person in the world they do nothing for, i should just obliterate myself, right? that still doesn't tell me how they're supposed to END MY LONELINESS!!! they're just bandaids for a massive bleeding chest cavity.
Sara
Sara Curley
My path; was to go deep deep deep inside myself and reframe or release the stories, beliefs, assumptions, and interpretations I was making of things.
Those tools helped me be able to really be radically self accountable.
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and if i have no interest in that?
Sara
🤷♀️
Sara
Most therapeutic practices are basically the same shit.
I went the philosophy/spiritual route
Sara
Mostly Tao, Buddhist, and tribal naturalism
Sara
Those things mixed with modem science and research into consciousness allowed me to move to where I am today.
Sara
Lots of parts work as well (shadow work, or inner child work are other common framings for that stuff) and plant medicine to enable more neuroplasticity
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Sara Curley
**none of this is advice; I’m just talking about myself so you can get to know me better
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do you see yet, can you see yet, how, what it sounds like to me, is, you're just telling me i'm too damaged, too broken, too ugly, too scary, and i need to fix myself BEFORE i deserve a friend, instead of the original crazy newfangled way i want to do it, which is have a friend help me through that shit? can you see yet that that's what it sounds to me like you're telling me? which makes me feel suicidal because i'm never gonna fix myself to make a friend because i see no value in it, and cannot do it no matter how much everyone insists i can? are you still not understanding that? can you understand that fixing myself before i make a friend is just completely suicide-inducing? renders me so hopeless that i'd rather die than remember this day? can you understand any of that yet? because this still feels very violating to me, very crushing and... i feel like my core is being shit on and ripped out and stomped on and crushed and flushed? does that matter to you at all? i still am never going to have any interest in any of those things. i'm getting to know you, i understand you just fine. i'm also telling you, people have told me this same stuff before, so much that it's made me question whether i should even bother trying to exist or not. that all society wants of me is an empty shell they can fill with trash, because anything i like about myself is just too scary for anyone else to consider accepting? is this making any sense to you? does it matter to you that i do not feel understood in the slightest yet?
Sara
We are human. We are all imperfect.
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Sara Curley
I’m trying to be your friend right now? Can you even see that?
Or are you too stuck in your head and your beliefs?
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please don't make me sound that stupid, of course i'm aware you're trying to be my friend, that's not what i was asking.
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and please stop insisting i have beliefs.
Sara
Sara Curley
That’s how you are making me feel. That unless I fit your mold and do shit how you want it to be done than I’m just attacking you or being condescending or something?
We all have beliefs; that’s a capital T truth, a universal truth of human existence.
Even the Buddha has beliefs.
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Sara Curley
You don’t need to accept that truth. I’m not asking you to.
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it's way past my bedtime, i'm not going to be able to sleep tonight because i'm too triggered and tensed up. it would be wonderful if we could turn this into a video call and if you wouldn't mind my nudity. i still maintain that i have no beliefs.
Sara
Sara Curley
No thank you; I’m not a nudist myself.
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my stomach is in such a knot.
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you don't have to be.
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tired of everyone saying that same thing to me too.
Sara
Sara Curley
I’m not adverse to nudity - it’s not something I want to see from anyone currently
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who doesn't love feeling ugly and scary, huh?
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Sara Curley
That’s your interpretation.
Not what I said
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didn't imply it wasn't mine.
Sara
I do my best to follow these 4 statements:
Be impeccable with your word.
Don’t take anything personally.
Don’t make assumptions.
Always do your best.
Sara
Sara Curley
Have your tried any somatic movements or practices before to try to release the pent up emotional energy after you’ve been triggered in the past?
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i know they won't work for me and i have no interest in them, i need people. people is all i need. not breathing or any other substitution for a friend.
Sara
Sara Curley
They are substitutes for friends ><
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not for me!
Sara
Why do you think that?
Sara
Sara Curley
They are tools for emotional regulation.
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because i'm insane.
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no they are not.
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not for me!
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Sara Curley
Do you really think that?
Sara replied to you
Sara Curley
Why?
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jesus lord, man, no!
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sarcasm!
Sara
Sarcasms doesn’t often land with me via text.
Sara
Sara Curley
That’s one of my own projections related to the “be impeccable with your words”
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is there anything else we can talk about please?
Sara
Sara Curley
Idk?
I’m obsessed with attachment theory, and consciousness, and human relating, and Star Wars
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of course you are.
Sara
I’m counting down until midnight so I can watch the premiere of the new season of mando
Sara
Sara Curley
I also love drum and bass, punk rawk, and folk metal
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Lol yeahhhh I mean.. those things (minus Star Wars) is why I’ve chosen to be a life coach 🤷♀️
Sara
Ooo and I’m a bit of a basic bitch; crystals, tarot and oracle cards, spirit guides - all that woo woo shit
Sara
Haha and I so intuitive Reiki; and draw the energetic flows within one chakra system.
Sara
Sara
That’s the last scan I did on myself. My root chakra was way over active that day and messy, and my sacral as well.
Sara
Heart chakra has a really strong flow; yet it was leaky.
Sara
Quantum mechanics and entropy where my gateways into the woo woo world..
Sara
Laws of thermodynamics is how I embraced morality at a young age 🤪
Sara
Sara Curley
You might see why I have interest in the book you recommended eh?
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i am never ever ever going to find anyone like me. i don't belong in this world. i'm unlovable. irredeemable. too unique. i know you don't have any incentive to know or understand how suicidal all of this makes me, and i'm not saying it's your fault, and i know i shouldn't even tell you it's depressing. we can be friends. i'm going to try really really hard to not kill myself tonight. i'm sorry for everything, i know i'm just a repugnant hideous piece of shit that doesn't deserve anything from anyone. i appreciate everything you've said, there's nothing wrong with it. but i need to close this window now, smoke a joint that has to last me till fuckin friday, and try to get this stupid shaking ugly piece of shit body to sleep. the psychotic sociopathic manipulative deceitful mother of my children was into all that astrology tarot stuff, so it's a massive trigger for me, she even tried to insult my interest in science on many occasions, tried to shame me out of being an atheist, so did my grandmother, my grandmother weaponized her religion against my mother and i, verbally abused my mother her entire life, my mother died seven years ago from nurse negligence, she was four hundred pounds bedridden with a tracheotomy and no teeth so she couldn't even verbally defend herself anymore, which is how and why i got so good with my words and truths and facts, my mother had genetic structural deformities in her knees like i do, but the doctors wouldn't replace them because of her weight, she couldn't lose weight without knees, that's the catch twenty two she died in, practically died in a wheelchair which is why i refuse to get in one, i credit the decade of homelessness with why i'm still walking, and i refuse to die in a catch twenty two like her, which i'm dangerously close to now with severe chronic physical pain and emotional torment. i need to close this window now, if i'm alive tomorrow, i'm alive tomorrow, if not... oh well, big loss. world's better off without me and i'm better off dead. there's nothing wrong with you, there's everything wrong with me. i hate myself because of this shit. i used to think i could share anything with people like this, but i just end up feeling ashamed, hopeless. i don't know why i keep trying. this world has made it clear they do not want me to be me. i've been redlining for so long, feeling like i'm on the verge of a heart attack or nervous breakdown and no one cares. i'm going to try really really hard to not kill myself tonight. thank you for sharing and listening. i'm hating myself too much to type another word.
Sara
Sara Curley
I’ll check in with you tomorrow okay?
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sure.
Sara
Sara Curley
It’s understandable when things that remind one of their past is triggering.
I hope you find some rest tonight.
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extremely unlikely, but i appreciate the sentiment.